Jul-13-2016 9:06 AM
The point about identifying their primal needs builds on the insights we will receive as to why the Zeno in A L I E N Covenant. As I said some months ago the tieing of A C and A 5 together enables each to strengthen the other. If A C reveals the origins and the why you can not make any more A L I E N movies without informing them with that knowledge.
In effect we have come across the Derelict and seen the effect of them individually and collectively but we know nothing more about them then. A C will deepen that understanding as will A 5. As I have said before once we have all of that apart from turning a grown up Newt into a Soap Opera what more is there to say unless the subsequent and final prequel film (according to Fox) goes off on a tangent or is the second part of a two parter.
Jul-13-2016 9:20 AM
I love how she insists on not knowing what Covenant is called, and highlights their film being on hold. I wonder if there's something personal between her and Ridley, or if she's just pandering to her fan base. Either way, it's a shame.
Also the mention of the MORB's having a motivation and race is worrying.
Jul-13-2016 9:26 AM
Aorta, I agree that Weaver's statements sound like she is taking issue with 'Alien: Covenant' or the fact that Ridley Scott and Fox put 'Alien 5' on hold until they finished 'A:C'. Whatever happens, Blomkamp's movie better not cause issues for the next installments between 'Alien: Covenant' and the original 'Alien'. Although, I can't see Fox allowing that to happen if they find success in 'Alien: Covenant' and have audiences clamoring for the remaining tie-ins to 'Alien'.
Jul-13-2016 9:33 AM
As a huge fan-boy of the 'Alien' universe myself, I've got to admit that it is so exciting to have two 'Alien' films being directed by Hollywood's finest directors. Can't wait to visualize the grandeur these guys bring into their films.
Jul-13-2016 10:04 AM
Well she could be vague about what she is saying...
We have to look at the Concept work and we have seen relating to the Xenomorph well not relating to Humans.
* Derelict/Juggernaught in a Hanger of some Human Outpost/World
* A Traditional Xeno Queen from Aliens
* Different variety of Egg/Face Huger
* Different Alien Design that lacks the Tubes on the back and has a more Deacon style domed head.
* Something that looks like the Egg Morph Scene.
* Ripley inside some kind of Engineer related Space Suit
We know the Xeno and Space Jockey had a connection.... we know Prometheus tried to link the Space Jockey to the Engineers.
And so there must be the use of Engineer Technology in Alien 5.... and there was elements that conflicted with Prometheus 2
So maybe Alien 5 will also touch upon more than the Xenomorph?
Jul-13-2016 10:23 AM
Oh I'm dying inside at how bad that sounds.
Ripley's been ended. I can't see how she could be given a better ending. There's a story of a clone of Ripley but that's not Ripley. Again, her story's already been finished. Don't justify this film by saying her story needs finishing.
And giving the xenomorph other motivation... Seriously, I cannot comprehend why anyone would think that is a good idea. I mean, I guess it depends on what the motivation is but still.
Remember when the prequels tried explaining the force?
Remember when the 'Halloween' remake explained Michael Myers?
Or when 'Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers' tried to do it before that?
When has explaining something mysterious from an original film in a remake/prequel ever worked? I cannot think of even one example.
Jul-13-2016 10:31 AM
Well, it does sound a bit more interesting now.
I'm still skeptical of Blomkamp's directing style for an alien film, though.
The fact that it's "on hold" makes me think that the studio wants to test the waters and see how much interest there is in a new Alien film (i.e. Ridley's Alien: Covenant) before they greenlight and put another Alien film into production at the same time. So I imagine once Alien: Covenant does substantial business at the box office they will then go full speed ahead with Alien 5.
Jul-13-2016 10:57 AM
It is a shame that there seems to be a tad of resentment regarding Weaver and Alien: Covenant. Although her comments about the Alien's primal needs and purpose for existence seem interesting. Perhaps that is what needed inclusion back when Scott and Blowlamp revised the script. With the direction Alien: Covenant is taking the series, it would certainly make sense.
Jul-13-2016 1:49 PM
I don't know what to make of this. Is there a video of the interview?
Maybe people are taking her comments too seriously? Out of context?
Sigourney's always seemed to have a very down to earth attitude and I doubt she would be intentionally resentful of Ridley.
After all, he was the person who gave her her big break. And without that break she probably wouldn't have had all the opportunities she had after. So I doubt she meant it has a slap in the face.
I hope not anyway.
Jul-13-2016 2:06 PM
Just glad that Alien 5 seems to be going a direction that would benefit the fans; your own personal hang ups on it are more than subjective for the film will be a Masterpiece. Just have to wait and see the premise A:C truly explores and sets up for the other two movies following.
I am curious as to whether the two remaining follow-ups leading into ALIEN will be released first or if Alien 5 will come out inbtwn those two films..
Jul-13-2016 2:41 PM
The upshot of all this is that the original Alien story is getting back on track to where it should have gone, IMHO.
Love it or hate it, Aliens was an awesome movie, and follow up to Alien. It just seems natural to me that you would need security forces to go off-world, hence the Space Marines angle made sense to me. Now whether or not you like the Queen angle, eh, we can talk.
The rest of the movies were crap, again IMHO.
If A:5 gives us an alternate timeline that picks up after Aliens, I'm in. This would just put to right my all-time favorite movie franchise that I would finally buy the box set to!
Jul-13-2016 2:53 PM
Fuck Cameron! Through his arrogance, he decided not to bother bringing Giger onboard because he thought he could do just as good a job of designing (thieving) Giger's concepts LOL.
Jul-13-2016 3:29 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one annoyed by James Cameron. I still really enjoy Aliens, mind you, but it's really just a big, dumb fanboy sequel that used all the same themes from the original and only added a cheap emotional component between Ripley and Newt. That being said, I did actually just rewatch Aliens and the Marines annoyed me less this time. It's a fun, well made film. Just not original at all. I happen to really like Alien 3 because it's a bit more original.
Jul-13-2016 3:33 PM
Aliens used the male rape element on.... a minor character who got cut from the theatrical version?
Jul-13-2016 3:44 PM
Well... Sigourney is 66, probably won't film A5 until she's 67 or 68! I'd be pushing for a faster release myself. She might be using a cane to wollop them pesky 'morphs.
Jul-13-2016 4:03 PM
In an interview some months ago, she referred to Covenant as 'Prometheus 2, or whatever it's called', riffing on the name changes as all the skeptics were doing at the time. She knows perfectly well what it's called.
Now she's doing it again. And on google her comment about how Alien 5 'could have been done by now' has already been posted under a current photo of her.
It's already unfortunate how polarized the fan base has become. One hopes she's above that.
Jul-13-2016 4:14 PM
Apart from Ripley's outings, when did she last have a decent, starring role? Oh yes, Death and The Maiden....time is catching up with Miss Weaver!
Jul-13-2016 4:28 PM
Quotes from the article-
“Well, we have a great script. Fox asked us to delay so Ridley Scott could shoot his [second] Prometheus movie. That was too bad because we would have already done it by now,” she says.
Scott’s film is shooting now and comes out in August 2017, but that doesn’t mean Blomkamp’s Aliens follow-up will start right away. “Now that we’re waiting for that, I have a couple of Avatars to do and Neill has The Gone World,” Weaver says. “So we’ll have to see what happens when we get back, when those projects are over.”
Either way, she sounds determined to revisit Ellen Ripley. “It’s a great story and it’s satisfying to me to give this woman an ending,” Weaver says, which makes it sound like this would be her final go-round as the character. That means resolution — not that Ripley will necessarily die. (Note that she’s died before, and that obviously didn’t end anything.)
Weaver also suggested Blomkamp’s Aliens sequel will delve into the motivation of the aliens themselves, exploring what it is their race has been seeking. “The script itself has so much in it that’s so original, but also really satisfies the, I would say, the primal needs of the aliens,” Weaver says. “It’s a tribute to all of the great work that the other directors have done, in a way, but goes in a completely new direction. I hope we’ll do it.”
This puzzles me, has she forgotten that Ripley already had an ending?
"I hope we'll do it" Surely that means it's not a certainty?
Jul-13-2016 4:31 PM
"Apart from Ripley's outings, when did she last have a decent, starring role? Oh yes, Death and The Maiden....time is catching up with Miss Weaver!"
That's if you don't count Finding Dory.
Jul-13-2016 5:46 PM
I'm a great fan of the Alien franchise and love em all (well most) ... so I'm not that worried about resentment between the different corners too much, regarding the movies because I'll watch them anyhow and enjoy them ...
I'm more concerned about the "motivation of the aliens themselves" ... I read that as, the Aliens deciding they have a proper brain and all of a sudden want to rule the galaxy ... especially without any ships to do it with, which they cannot pilot ... they are only going to wipe out planets if stupid Humans (or other) TAKE the bloody goo elsewhere ... if not they're stuck where they are ...
I mean come on, they NOW have an agenda? ... they only arise due to other species intervention, i.e. humans & Engineers (so far) ... there hasn't been enough of them around in one place long enough to know how to boil a kettle, let alone deciding they now have a purpose, other than killing what gets in their way ... apart from talking to each other, to spill some acid to escape and a few drones to protect eggs, I can't see (don't want to see) them being more intelligent than that ... and don't tell me their collective minds (memory) are sent down and stored in the eggs (in stasis) each time until they are let loose again ... everytime they become an Alien (Xeno or whatever) they have to start again and learn ... they are born, they get delt with, end of ... the next Alien has to start all over and learn again ...
A killing machine I like and always have done but an intelligent Alien (like this beauty) that's able to actually plan out a scenario? ... nope ... not liking that part at all ... blame Alien 4 for that crap ... and think about it, by the time we get to Alien it's still a bit of a dopey Alien so it hasn't learnt much has it? ... it's an animal with instincts, period ... you don't see a lion going for a gun? ... :) ...
Ok I've calmed down now ... meds kickin' in ...
Jul-13-2016 5:59 PM
"But she wasn't the star of Avatar. It was a supporting role. "
So? She's been working solidly for years.
"I mean come on, they NOW have an agenda? "
They've always had one. Survive and propagate.
Jul-13-2016 6:35 PM
Yes, all living things are designed to Survive and propagate ... but that's not what it sounded like with Weaver's comment, regarding the Aliens ... it sounded more than that ... she didn't have to state the (obvious) fact, that we just have ...
Jul-13-2016 11:31 PM
@ Lone. Thanks for the additional quotes. This sounds like the making of the film is way off.
As to motives several people here have talked about punishment/retribution. It is not difficult to see how after Covenant, which will explore the origins and reason for the Zeno, that those will contextualise and act as a spring board for the motives. Indeed we know Neil and Ridley have aligned the two films and probably Sigourney is unaware of both Covenants precise story and its interaction."5" has to explore the motives of what is set up in "C".
Jul-14-2016 12:45 AM
Sorry but this sucks, one of the things that is interesting about the Xeno is that there are things that are unknown to it. Compare it to a horror movie where you see the killer 100 times or you just see it once or twice but the rest of the time it is lurking in the shadows so you just see when the people get killed but not the killer, what is more scary? You probably get my point.
I don't want to know what it eats, how it shits, or what its favorite TV shows are. Leave something up to the imagination, please. One interesting thing about the Xeno is that a lot of it is unknown so you can use your imagination, I think that it should stay that way even after Alien 5 is done.
Jul-14-2016 1:32 AM
Thoughts_Dreams. If you want to make a menace more menacing then provide it with motive. Thats not to say you become so familiar with it that it loses its sense of mystery. It will still behave the same but knowing why could make the horror even more horrific. The denouement in psycho makes the movie ultimately more horrifying rather than being a routine killing. However once you know the how, why and motive then eventually you reach a point where there is no more story to tell. Ten movies with Zeno's being horrific outcomes and no gain in knowledge would be dull. One/two movies explaining whats behind it all is intriguing to me. Not interested in the mechanics like you, just the big interesting questions. Indeed there is nothing new to the Zeno's we know what they "do" its an insight into where they come from and why they are the way they are that is intriguing.
Jul-14-2016 1:50 AM
I don't think that it becomes more scary when you show a motive because then it gets more understandable and less frightening. Let's compare it to if you walk into a big dark room then you don't know what is in there or how it looks but when you switch on the light then everything is there for you to see so you get familiar with it and then it is no longer scary, this is how I look at explaining the Xeno. Once you explain everything about it then it looses the point so to speak.
One thing that they could use though is if we believe that something scary will happen but nothing happens, that is a way that works at least for me.
Jul-14-2016 2:54 AM
I've been sceptical about this from the start, and Weaver's comments don't help one bit. The 'motives' of the alien? That sounds like the worst idea ever. These things are alien to us, we couldn't understand their motives, if they even have them. Giving them motivation of some sort will ruin it. Ash's speech in Alien tells you all you need to know about them, no need to add anything else.
Weaver's comments about finally having an ending for Ripley are a bit silly. She said the same thing when she did A3, even insisting on Ripley dying at the end so she wouldn't have to come back. But she came back for some reason (money, I guess) and fucked up the franchise with A:R. Now she wants closure again? I think the best way to deal with Ripley is to leave the character alone. Anything they add to her story now will just further dilute the franchise.
Explore other aspects of the Alien universe, like Ridley Scott is doing. If Blomkamp is desperate for an Aliens sequel, leave Ripley and Hicks (who's dead too...) out of it. Just make a kick ass action flick with marines vs aliens, introduce a bunch of new characters and go from there. Leave Ripley dead and buried (well, burned up...).
Jul-14-2016 3:27 AM
It's like gonzo and Michelle said. Alien could mean anything at this point. But if we are talking about the xenomorph then holy Dorey fish poop on a sjw. The xenomorph has lost all mystery and scarryness. It has been so over staturated, it's nothing but a childs play thing now. It's been parodied in space balls, ninja turtles cartoon animaniachs and soo much other media it just gets worse as years go by.
and who's to say they are "explaining everything?" This will make the xenomorph much more interesting. Horror can always be found in new ways.
i really don't see why a negative in the xenomorph having an agenda or purpose. Most of these people I'm assuming who disagree are people aged way below the speed limit who just want to see cheap Michael bay garbage action with xenos. Rather than some deep thought out psychological horror.
Jul-14-2016 3:27 AM
Imagine that the Liquid is as old as the universe, that it's an industrial waste from the process of making reality, and that it is programmed to punish, to death, whatever steals it.
Edit: ^what I should have said above is 'one hopes Weaver is above making the divisions worse, because she could make it much worse'.^
Jul-14-2016 5:15 AM
They might not explain everything but enough to not make it scary. If there are some parts of it that haven't been explained then don't do that because then there are something that we can make up in our heads which makes it more interesting when it comes to movies. Sorry but I don't see how this will make it more interesting.
"Most of these people I'm assuming who disagree are people aged way below the speed limit who just want to see cheap Michael bay garbage action with xenos. Rather than some deep thought out psychological horror."
I don't want to see that either but if you show it too often then it becomes known and familiar so then there isn't a threat anymore.
Jul-14-2016 6:28 AM
Guys I do understand everyones concerns and it could go horribly wrong particularly the Hicks/Ripley storyline.
However gaining an understanding of why the Zenomorph is what it is and knowing for instance how much more connected they are with mankind could make them more real not closer in but less a long skulled, acid for blood, son of a bitch and something we have more reason to be scared of because there actions are less random than we thought.
The surprise and unexpected terror doesn't have to be compromised because there is something out there which we have better handle on what they are trying to do it can make the threat more real.
Jul-14-2016 6:43 AM
Wow. There's seems to be a lot of hate for Cameron vs Scott. Granted if he stiffed Giger then yeah he was being a dick, but I really liked his concept of introducing some Space Marines into the mix, even if the portrayal was a little juvenile. They looked and acted like Vietnam Grunts, not warriors from the future.
Anyways I liked the concept of getting the military involved, even if you don't like the director and the way he handled it. Let's say Ridley did a re-make and got it right. It's a natural story progression from Alien. If Alien:5 follows up from there, I think the story will have the right progression, IMHO, instead of getting off-tangent with what the other directors did.
If Cameron pisses you off that much, then how about a Alien:2 remake, with Alien:5 (3 in the alt timeline), and the rest of the new films. In fact I'm all for re-doing them all, including the original, to update the sets/FX/etc to current standards.
If they were all (re)done by one director, namely Scott, that would be a plus in my book.
As for the Alien "motivation" or whatever. I think that is us projecting our thought process on a totally alien being. I don't think individual thought or motivation, code of ethics, or whatever enters into their minds. It's a hive mentality, with the prime directive being to kill, eat, reproduce. As Kane so admired, a "purity" of purpose. Without any philosophical theory to justify it.
Jul-14-2016 7:52 AM
Michelle: Let's compare it to a match in hockey. You got to keep an eye on your opponents and they can come at you from left and right front and back you got more to worry about if they attack you from all angles than if they would just come at you from the left because if they just come at you from the left you know what will happen.
The same thing goes for the Alien movie: if you know a lot that the Alien can do or why then it becomes less scary but if you are not sure about something then it becomes more unknown and more of a threat.
Jul-14-2016 7:57 AM
Motivation is not a good word, it suggests there is reasoning, that some event or ideology is influencing MORB behavior, which sort of takes us back to the original idea that they would mature into an intellectual being and immerse themselves in art and learning.
Jul-14-2016 8:17 AM
Can anyone think of any horror icon like the Xenomorph that learning more about it has helped the character and increased fear?
I'm pulling a blank most of these creations are scary because you can't hope to understand why they do this. Whether just because it's in their nature, or because they want, either way it's better to leave these things in the dark.
Jul-14-2016 8:24 AM
"Indeed we know Neil and Ridley have aligned the two films and probably Sigourney is unaware of both Covenants precise story and its interaction."5" has to explore the motives of what is set up in "C".
Well Michael Biehn did comment a while back just after the Alien Covenant name came about... he claimed regarding that movie..
That Alien Covenant is set thousands of years before Aliens, thats how they (Fox/Ridley?) Explained it to him.
So people at Fox/Ridley must have gave them some information on Alien Covenant, this comment seemed odd as its what the source was trying to sugest 6 months prior... yet many thought Prometheus 2 would be set right after Prometheus... then we had Alien Covenant and its synopsis and then the Wardrobe head designer say the movie is set 10 years after Prometheus.
Which made Biehn's comments seem off.... but then we saw those on set photos of a massacre or punishment that certainly looks like its more related to Engineers than Humans... and so yes Flashbacks from thousands of years could be key.
My point of this being, if Biehn had some insight then surely Weaver would have too?
It seemed a bit odd on the Covenant story and synopsis compared to what we expected as far as after Prometheus....
But i thought maybe changes had been made to Answer the Xeno earlier rather than latter so that Alien 5 can come out and not tred on the toes of the prequels.
The source informed me, that the Green/Paglen draft had no Ripley connections at all....
So indeed Fox/Ridley have discussed changes with Blomkamp and it appears his Alien 5 and Prometheus 2 have both had some changes to connect to each other in a few ways.
Alien 5 was set not long after Aliens, the Concept work fits that, they dont show a 65+ year old Ripley.... they had no mention of Newt...
After Alien 5 was on hold to make way for Prometheus 2 things went quiet then after Alien Covenant was announced more things came to light with Alien 5
Again from the Micheal Biehn interview he said Alien 5 was set some 20 years plus after Aliens, which is a change and that Newt would play a role and it would be like a passing the Torch.
Weaver had afterwards suggested that there is a happy ending for Ripley, which means she maybe dont die... even teased a family reunion included Bishop..
I was thinking God No!!!
I dont think Alien Franchise should have happy endings...
But the latest news i hope Ripley is putting up her boots... but i dont buy that one bit....
Alien 8 anyone? Ripley be late 70's needs Mobility Scooter so how can she fight the Xeno....
Easy Power Loader lol
Jul-14-2016 8:34 AM
"I don't want to see that either but if you show it too often then it becomes known and familiar so then there isn't a threat anymore."
A lot have voiced concerns with the Xenomorph and the more we know the less Scarier it would be.
But who knows... i think Fox are seeing they can Milk it for another few rounds... but surely we cant have 2-3 More Alien Prequels that would touch upon Xenos and then a Alien 5 and well if its a passing of the Torch you can bet who ever is playing a 30+ year old Newt will be given a chance to lead role a Alien 6
They have to do something fresh or introduce something than have us see another 4-5 Alien movies with similar Xenos to what we had in the first 4 Alien Movies (not inc Prometheus)
But maybe they just see Xeno plus Ripley links = $$$$$$$$$$$
If they are trying something clever with the Agenda of the Alien..... we have to look at Star Beast... the Star Beast was the Spores left by a Ancient Civilised somewhat race who needed hosts to procreate its kind.. hosts to Gestate the Spores Face Hugers to then lead to a Life Cycle that leads to the Adult.
which then needed another host to Morph into another Spore to start the life cycle all over.
The Star Beast Adults had disappeared and all that was left was Dormant Spores... but the idea was that these Star Beasts would grow to become civilized some how.
If we left a child on a island, with enough food from a early age... but no interaction as far as teaching them anything... we can assume that child would grow upto be Feral, and a Blood Thirsty Predator too... using its Primal Instinct.
But to me i dont see the Xeno that way, the Engineers play a role and i dont see it as the Xeno above the Engineers but who knows...
Ridleys Alien comment could be a vague red herring to put us off the scent and when she means Alien she could mean the Space Jockey?
Jul-14-2016 9:27 AM
Maybe MORBS are juvenile Engineers, and the life cycle is meant to populate the universe with more Engineers.
Jul-14-2016 9:49 AM
Sigourney talked about their motives as a race. Thats a very all embracing statement. To compare it with Prometheus the Engineers as a race are involved in a benign catalytic seeding of life. That is the motive of the race we know nothing else about them collectively or individually.
Indeed the LV223 fallen Engineers are involved in large scale destruction and re assembling of Mankind that overall motive makes the final scenes of Prom even more chilling.
So if we learn of the general motives of the Zenomorph at a generic racial level we have a more general understanding of them. That kind of information does not get us in close in the way you are concerned but it means we know a little more about their overall objectives as a group separate from them having individual personality issues.
I found the interview with MB and he refers to the movie as Prom 2 and the editor corrects it and calls it A. C. He refers to A L I E N S being set thousands of years later.
Given the costume designer said in December A C is set 10 years after Prom and the Covenant a W Y mission arrives to find a synthetic David I am not buying that as a real understanding of the actual script chosen. To flash back and put the Paradise Apocalypse contemporaneously with LV223 break out Yes. David may explain the history to a curious Daniels but the Covenant is a WY mission with a direct relative of Ripley on board thats a strong timeline connection.
I think MB had insight to the more elliptical script from the first two guys and the fact he called it Prom suggests his intel was out of date. Its possible the original script with D & E involved time travel to explore the Engineer mythos where Zenos were a part of the fabric of the Engineer history.
Jul-14-2016 10:20 AM
Sigourney is a science fiction icon, but only because she played a popular hero decades ago, not because she really has anything to contribute to the conversation. Biehn as well, I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's a b-list actor, even if he was shown anything he would have had to sign some kind of NDA. Has he said anything since?
They have a platform now, a chance at renewed relevance, and they're kinda wearing it.
Jul-14-2016 10:53 AM
Haha! "Alien 8 anyone? Ripley be late 70's needs Mobility Scooter so how can she fight the Xeno....
Easy Power Loader lol"
LOL! That's hilarious BigD!
Jul-14-2016 11:30 AM
Ripley trying to kill Xenos by throwing her lethal dentures at them. :D
"Get away from her you, you. Oh I forgot what the last word was." - Ripley 85 years old with an early stage of dementia. :D
I don’t think that we need to know what their objectives are rather than that they kill and procreate. Sigourney can say whatever she wants but that doesn’t make her the only one to be allowed to have an opinion. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who has it.
To only know about what we already know about them and maybe their connection to the Engineers make them all the more interesting since you can use your imagination and besides we have already seen them many times before (the regular movies + AvP and also the Deacon). We don’t really need to know about their motifs and agenda because that requires an intelligence way higher than a Xeno has or should have. Simply put I don’t think that they are intelligent enough to do that and to put their intelligence at the level of humans make them more understandable and less scary, which is connected to their motifs also.
I don’t want to know how they work as a specie, I want to have a bit of mystery. Having an understanding of their overall objectives make them less alien and less frightening. Separate personality issues has never been a part of the Aliens so I don’t see why you bring that up. Besides giving them different personalities makes them more human and I think that is wrong. No one thinks in terms of personalities when it comes to bees (they attack humans) and we shouldn’t think about the personalities about the Xenos once again they are aliens and not humans which works to keep the scare factor up as I think that it should be. It is like Bears when you are in the woods, the more you know about them and how to deal with them the less dangerous they become the same thing applies to Aliens/Xenos.
Jul-14-2016 11:50 AM
Haha! ^^ " "Get away from her you, you. Oh I forgot what the last word was." - Ripley 85 years old with an early stage of dementia."
LOL! This threads turning out to be a right good laugh!
Jul-14-2016 2:59 PM
With MB comments, who knows how much intel he knew and yes he may have heard the Thousands of years ago regarding the Project Ridley and Fox was working on as far as Paglen and Green
The source did hint at the movie being partly set in the past, they said it had 3 Plot Elements and Prometheus for instance had 2.. one was the Prometheus Mission from Arrival of the Crew to the last survivors and the other the Sacrificial Scene.
And so it did seem Part of Prometheus 2 would be flash backs or set in the past at a time of maybe the Fall of the Engineers or Rebellion etc.
But then the shots we had of those Bald Loin cloth Clad Humanoids in a scene of suffering, maybe death and maybe due to punishment... seems something of a flash back scene set way before the year 2103
So maybe MB did have some insight only as far as basics of the Plot... or maybe it was only as far as the ideas prior to Ridley and Fox having to sit down with Blomkamp and edit some of his ideas.. and then bring in John Logan to work on the Prometheus Sequel.
Jul-16-2016 3:01 AM
T_D great reply and do not disagree with any of it. I do not want to know the A L I E N has mother issues or wasn't breast feed and has gender displacement ha ha.
I think A C will give us a lot more of the why and their link with mankind and that will get used for continuity for A 5 IF it gets made.
@ BD you haven't mentioned time travel as part of Prom 2 before and I can see how that still becomes part of the narrative given E & D are on a Juggernaut and end up on Paradise. If we are gonna get Paradise Lost we may well get the link between the opening scene of Prom and the catastrophe that befell Paradise. Indeed the prologue for A C may work the same way as Prom it shows the catastrophe of Paradise Lost which is then explained in the John Logan element vis a vis D and E or D and Daniels. This is where I expect A C to be better more exposition of the extra ordinary images and ideas that Ridders conjures. So there is less to be worked out by the brilliant minds on this board who fill in the gaps with such aplomb !!